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The Mary Marantz Show

Mar 15, 2022

What if my hope only leads to disappointment? What if I embrace joy only to have it ripped from my hands? Do these questions sound familiar? If you can relate, then you will not want to miss today’s powerful episode!

Today, Mary is joined for a second time by Nicole Zasowski, as the two dive into Nicole’s new book, “What If It’s Wonderful?  Release Your Fears, Choose Joy, and Find the Courage to Celebrate.” As a best-selling author and therapist, Nicole knows that it’s difficult to trust joy and find the courage to celebrate when you have endured seasons of disappointment and despair. Yet, her new book offers a different perspective with a compelling psychological and spiritual case for the importance of embracing joy and celebration, even when it feels scary

On today’s episode, Mary and Nicole dive deep into all things joy, celebration, and performing our way into a place of false security! Specifically:

  • How to make celebration a discipline and rhythm in life even when celebrating feels hard

  • The difference between engaging in celebration vs. escaping reality and how to know the difference

  • Why journeys and quests are not the same and what they teach us

  • The truth about anxiety and how to combat it

  • Ways to implement celebration as a rhythm in your life instead of just considering it as a reward

If you are ready to release your fears, choose joy, and find the courage to celebrate then today’s episode is for you!

Grab a copy of “What If It’s Wonderful?” here!


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  • If you love this episode, we bet you would also love Mary’s first book Dirt, all about growing up in a trailer in West Virginia, before going on to Yale for law school. It is a story of redemption and how we make peace with our past. You can find that at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target online or anywhere, books are sold.

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